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#28 - I Am Monkey (10/27/2013) [-]
The upside down cross is called St. Peter's Cross because when Peter was going to be crucified by the Romans he requested that they do it upside down because he felt he did not deserve to die in the same manner as Jesus.
User avatar #93 to #28 - classybot (10/27/2013) [-]
******* hipsters...
User avatar #61 to #28 - auda (10/27/2013) [-]
The same goes for St Andrew. But he got crucified in the way of an ''x'' sort of. The flag of scotland is also known as the St Andrews Cross.
#31 to #28 - hahahaheidi (10/27/2013) [-]
so he was crucified upside down?
so he was crucified upside down?
User avatar #44 to #31 - IamSofaKingdom (10/27/2013) [-]
The disciples got some really rough ends. One of them (Bartholomew) was flayed alive (skinned) and then beheaded. I had a National Geographic that followed each of their travels and then how each died (only one died peacefully).
User avatar #68 to #44 - trollwoopnazi (10/27/2013) [-]
These guys sound like they suffered more than jesus.
#51 to #44 - alegitusername (10/27/2013) [-]
don't you think it's a bit weird that these people, who actually met jesus, would die for him after he died? perhaps they saw enough compelling evidence to "convert" to christianity... even though... conversion wasn't really a thing back then..
User avatar #53 to #51 - commontroll (10/27/2013) [-]
That's why I've always found it stupid that people think that there's no way, no chance that it might be true. They had their wives dragged away to be executed, they themselves were tortured, executed in brutal fashions, etc.

If it was a con, they'd probably not go through all that. Also they'd probably try and make money.
User avatar #67 to #53 - popeflatus (10/27/2013) [-]
The gospels were all written many decades after the alleged fact and not by the disciples. The bible is so riddles with historical inaccuracies and internal contradictions that to take it as a factual document is simply wrong.
User avatar #167 to #67 - IamSofaKingdom (10/28/2013) [-]
Where did you hear that? many of the disciples wrote their own books and that is why they are named after them...
User avatar #171 to #167 - popeflatus (10/28/2013) [-]
No. Go to wikipedia and begin your research, the gospels were not written by the disciples of Yashua.
User avatar #175 to #171 - IamSofaKingdom (10/29/2013) [-]
You are stating that none of them were and I stated that several were. You are trying to make a sweeping generalization off of a Wikipedia article you read. Nearly the entire New Testament came from the disciples and you don't know what you are talking about. We took a look into koine Greek text in my colligiate Greek class.
User avatar #45 to #44 - hahahaheidi (10/27/2013) [-]
damn @_@ just imagine if people were still executed like that...
User avatar #46 to #45 - IamSofaKingdom (10/27/2013) [-]
Maybe we'd commit crimes a little less often lol.
#47 to #46 - hahahaheidi (10/27/2013) [-]
you do have a point...
you do have a point...
User avatar #56 to #47 - badmotorfinger (10/27/2013) [-]
There's a line to be drawn between fair punishment and pure cruelty
User avatar #58 to #56 - hahahaheidi (10/27/2013) [-]
i didn't mean it was right or that we should start doing that again or anything :o but you gotta admit, it would work
irregardlessly still feels like a dick
User avatar #75 to #58 - hudis ONLINE (10/27/2013) [-]
It wouldn't. Harsher punishments don't reduce crime.
User avatar #76 to #75 - hahahaheidi (10/27/2013) [-]
i'd rather go to jail than be skinned. if being skinned was the outcome, i'd rather not do the crime. whereas jail people just wait.
User avatar #77 to #76 - hudis ONLINE (10/27/2013) [-]
Yeah, but most people who commit crimes don't actually think they will be caught. Here's an excellent talk about the death penalty by Jeremy Irons on that subject:

Jeremy Irons talks about the death penalty
User avatar #95 to #77 - theodordronen ONLINE (10/27/2013) [-]
first of all, closing my eyes and pretending that it was Scar talking made that more enjoyable.

Second of all, he makes a very good point untill i remember people like Anders Bering Breivik who killed 67-ish people in Norway. No one can convince me that he deserves to live.
User avatar #97 to #95 - hudis ONLINE (10/27/2013) [-]
I guess it's a matter of principle and beliefs. I don't think it's up to anyone to order the execution of anyone else unless they absolutely, undoubtedly still pose a threat to people. Death is so final.
User avatar #103 to #97 - theodordronen ONLINE (10/27/2013) [-]
Exactly, it's final. It was final for the 67ish people he killed. I don't think necessarily all people who kill should be killed, but under certain circumstances..
User avatar #105 to #103 - hudis ONLINE (10/27/2013) [-]
But why? It won't bring the victims back. It won't discourage other serial killers or mass-murderers. The consequences don't matter to them. Killing ABB would have made him a martyr, which would only have served to benefit the far-right agenda.
User avatar #107 to #105 - theodordronen ONLINE (10/27/2013) [-]
Because it would bring closure for some people, I'm sure. I just think after a certain point, I would accept the death penalty. I don't think we'll agree on this and understand that I respect your opinion.
User avatar #108 to #107 - hudis ONLINE (10/27/2013) [-]
Yeah, likewise. I've had this discussion many times in school, so I know that opinions tend to vary a lot and people often feel strongly about it.
User avatar #78 to #77 - hahahaheidi (10/27/2013) [-]
that's a good point, but a lot of them know there's a risk, therefore if the punishment were that extreme, they probably would just avoid it at all costs
User avatar #79 to #78 - hudis ONLINE (10/27/2013) [-]
It's a very dangerous assumption, and even if it were true, I wouldn't want to be part of a society that condoned such punishments even if it did reduce crime.
User avatar #80 to #79 - hahahaheidi (10/27/2013) [-]
i wouldn't either, i don't agree with the death penalty now as it is. well, maybe not completely anyways, but if that kind of thing were still going on, i probably wouldn't even leave the house o_o
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